Stagner Y-DNA Analysis

I had the experience to attend Diahan Southard’s weeklong class on Y-DNA and finally understand enough to be dangerous. So I will try to explain what I have learned in terms of Stagner YDNA results experienced this far.

YDNA is passed down from father to son. There always the possibility that the DNA could change during this process, but the change process from one generation to another is fairly slow, so minimal changes are expected in known relationships. It seems to be generally agreed that 5 or less deviations indicates a close relationship. In theory YDNA should be able to be valuable for several generations back.

The following tables summarize those results. The table consists of a list of the YDNA markers tested that are shown in the first row. These markers represent areas where sections of the DNA repeat. The number of times the DNA repeats is the number defined for each individual in the line below. The line highlighted in “yellow” is called the mode line and that is the most common value found for those of similar ancestry.

Frame 1 lists the results for the first 37 markers. It should be noted that the first seven men tested had very similar Y-37 DNA, suggesting a close relationship. BS, RC, and DES2 had one variation from the standard.

Stagner YDNA Results – August 2021 – Frame 1

Frame 2 shows the results for additional markers tested for those having done a Y67 test. For those testing to Y-67 level, there were no variations from the standard value shown in yellow.

Stagner YDNA Results – August 2021 – Frame 2

Frame 3 lists the additional markers tested for those have done a Y111 test. For those testing to Y-67 level, there were no variations from the standard value shown in yellow. For those testing to Y-67 level, there were no variations from the standard value shown in yellow. RC had one variation from the standard at Y-111.

Stagner YDNA Results – August 2021 – Frame 3

All of this suggests the conclusion, that seven of the guys eventually go back to John Stagner, son of Barney Stagner.

Stagner Genealogy suggested by Results of DNA Testing

TS, ES, BS, DES1, TS are clearly descendants of John Stagner.

DES2 has known relationship back to William Stagner born 1815 in North or South Carolina. However, the father of this William is unclear from genealogical data. This Y-DNA definitely suggests that DES2 is a descendant of John Stagner and Barney Stagner and based on offspring of John Stagner, the most likely candidate is William Stagner and Susanna Gibson his wife, who moved from Warren County, KY to Crawford County, Arkansas. Gibson, oldest son of William eventually moved to Caldwell County, Texas and his possible brother William was in nearby Colorado and Fayette County, so this makes some sense. However, William Stagner (1815-1870) gives his birth as North Carolina in 1850 census and South Carolina in the 1860 census. This is inconsistent with his father being William (1768-1830) because as far as known, William was no were near NC or SC in 1815, as records shown him in Warren County, KY at the time. So the only way this could have been his father was if William (1815-1870) did not know his actual state of birth and maybe assumed based on where his father was born.

Looking at the other possible brothers of William (1768-1830):

  • John (1766-1842) had a son William (1790-1846)-home Butler County, KY
  • George (1770-1840) had a son William J (1806-1850)-home Simpson County, KY
  • Nathan (1770-1857) had a son George William (1827-1867)-home Benton County, TN
  • Barnabus (1773-1836) had a son William (1813-aft 1894)-home Stewart County, TN
  • Jeremiah (1783-1843) had no son William.
  • Thomas (1783-????) nothing is known about his family
  • Andrew (1792-1873) has a son Henry William (1822-1900)

So, of the possible known sons of John Stagner(1740-1820), those with known sons William, other than William(1768-1830) do not fit the story to be a father of William (1815-1870). William (1768-1820) was the only known son of John (1740-1820) to have ventured past the Mississippi in Arkansas, and his offspring in Texas where William(1815-1870) died.

It must be pointed out there there is NO solid evidence who were the sons of John Stagner (1740-1820). The above list of sons was determined only what makes sense by looking at name and location.

There is another possibility. There is anecdotal family history stating that 3 brothers: John, William, and Henry traveled west and bought land in Warren County, KY. The only evidence that I have found for a Henry Stagner in Kentucky in the early 1800s was for a Henry Stagner found on tax lists in Christian County, KY on the Little River. No positive evidence has been found linking this Henry to any other Stagners either in Kentucky or Tennessee other than the geographical proximity. So it is possible that this Henry could have been a son of John (1740-1820) and perhaps was the father of William (1815-1870).

There was another Henry Stagner found in Sumner County, TN from about 1809 to the 1820 census. There is an individual in this census that could have have been William (1815-1870). Could this Henry have been the same one found in Christian County in early 1800s? It is not certain where the Sumner County Henry came from! But, it is believed that he was the Henry Stagner found in Greenville County, SC in the 1800 census. If so, and if William (1815-1870) is descended from him, then it might explain why he stated he was born in SC in 1860 census. What is clear is that Greenville County/Sumner County Henry cannot be the same Henry as found in Christian County, definitely were two different Henrys as they were in distinctly different locations in 1800.

The last tester in the list YDNA test list is DFS. He is a Stagner male and his descendancy is from Henry Stagner of Trigg County, KY.

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